trust me, DM, and I have crossed swords a few times, The joke is, I quite like him in some ways, ( dont get too excited DM ) but as I have posted, the TM800 has lost is potential

the Duo labs unit is an equivilant option price wise, and a better bet

I will soon own a Clarketec 9000 and fancy this unit will be a very good unit

I still as yet not got round to a spider unit, but will do in time....( but wont tell him its me )

but my firm fraverite, is the VU+ units

oh,...and thanks for your comments

baz