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    simple guide to setting up a Spiderbox 7000/9000

    new simple guide to setting up a spiderbox 7000 or 9000 HD or or 9900HD or HD combo

    forget epg files until you know what you are doing

    use winzip , winrar or 7zip to open the files after downloading ( basic pc skills required here )
    ALWAYS unpack the files from zip or rar containers into their RAW STATE before copying them to a USB stick


    Glossary of terms used :- https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...6-Glossary-etc
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    1) first job is check the date in the menu-system-info and if it isnt feb 2011 or oct 2011,
    patch it from usb stick to feb 2011 by selecting S/W update ( usually from a 2010 date )

    so bring it up to 2011 standards first , ignore the above if its already got 2011 in the menu or at least patch it up to LATE 2011 before bringing it right up to date

    then factory reset and update by usb stick to MARCH 2012, use S/W Update , and then factory reset it again

    MARCH 2012 is now the latest patch and so is the latest date in menu - system info


    so we are updating a previous 2011 date to the latest patch date available , in this case MARCH 2012

    Installing the Patch

    EXTRACT the file (*.uad) from the rar file and copy it to your USB stick.
    You must extract the file using winzip or winrar or a similar program as the rar file on a USB stick will not be of any use to you.

    Insert the USB stick into one of the USB ports in your spiderbox.

    Go to the Accessory Section of the menu and select USB.

    Scroll to the .uad file you have copied there and press OK

    In the popup window, select S/W Update

    Wait for your box to load the patch.. DO NOT POWER OFF

    The box will reboot by itself with the new patch installed

    Now go back into the menu and perform another factory reset , just to be sure its done

    wait for the reboot , and check the date in menu-system info is still correct

    if the ethernet says "connecting" , turn the box off at the mains switch for a minute, then turn back on

    or

    Reboot the box... switch off the Ethernet ,exit and go back to Ethernet and switch on should be ok.
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    2) now it is patched and up to date , do the following

    add the channel file from a usb stick that has been formatted to fat32 , or formatted in the spiderbox menu and input your usals coordinates too

    now turn on the networking with 1111 by highlighting NETWORK in orange (below UNKNOWN) and using the remote control to key in 1111

    this turns on the ethernet "gift" using the remote control which you can check later , KEY EDIT will now appear just above NETWORK

    also turn on both ucas options in KEY EDIT above NETWORK , and also reset keydata in there afterwards ,again using the remote control

    now load the HDsoftcam from usb stick using the remote control and browsing to it and then select it using OK , say yes to importing it

    then check your usals or diseqc settings as required ( especially if you have a vbox ) using the remote control
    menu-installation-motor setup-0000-press green button , put coordinates in the 2 boxes and save (for USALS users)

    now alter any user settings in the menu for your own preferences as required by you using the remote control (like the RF channel)

    then check it picks up free to air satellite channels on all satellites you can receive using the remote control

    (now check menu-accessories-network-ethernet and ensure it says Connected , only use register the first time you use it) - THIS NO LONGER WORKS SO IGNORE IT

    lastly , test on ethernet and ucas channels , opened by those emus using the remote control (press info twice to check the channel source)


    so that is :-

    factory reset - then load the latest firmware (mar2012) - then factory reset again , then turn on network using 1111 , turn on both ucas too in keyedit

    load in a channel list and put in your usals coordinates in motor setup , then load in softcam last

    now check your satellites and channels are ok , starting with a few fta channels on each satellite

    pressing the remote control <Pr button brings up the client list , instead of going into the network section

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    3) if you have altered the mac code in any way the box will have trouble connecting to the router and internet, so dont touch it
    if you have altered the 12 character hexadecimal mac code , or its all showing zeros , enter it again using the remote control
    it can be found on a white label inside the spiderbox on the actual motherboard , use a torch to see it through the top vents
    write it down on a sheet of paper and keep it with your instruction manual - just in case

    if and when you are au fait with epg settings , then use whichever epg file you wish from usb stick and do the epg download
    you can only use one of the files , even though there are dozens , so choose the one you require , possibly the sly uk 28e one for UK

    using dishpointer , or a gps satnav will tell you your usals location ( your coordinates ) , as will many sites like bing maps or google maps

    for more detailed info or info not in this simple guide refer back to the detailed posts made earlier in this thread or in other threads in the spiderbox sections

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    SOFTCAM UPDATING

    download softcam

    unpack to a folder on your hdd

    copy that folder to usb stick formatted to fat32

    put in spiderbox usb port

    press menu and go to usb option and ok it , and navigate to the softcam folder you copied over

    highlight the softcam file and press ok

    you will be asked if you wish to import that file , say yes and ok it

    2 seconds later its done

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    4) UPDATE

    EXTRA COMBO INFO on accessing terrestrial channels

    if you press the sat button and scroll to the end of the list you will see terrestrial
    press ok on terrestrial that should take you into the channel list

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    message to all from boxer26

    Boxer26

    For those of you with this problem, try the September patch. If it works for you, use it.
    Some of you will have to use the mandatory patch from 10th October to keep your ethernet status up to date.


    more info from anrakh on this problem and solution

    Try this.

    When doing the upgrade, have UCAS and ethernet turned off.
    Don't turn them back on until the full process, including both factory resets, is complete.


    It seems to have cured this problem that I had with one of my boxes. my problem seems to be gone too. I have to thank Boxer26 for the suggestion.

    Just to be sure, I reloaded the Sept patch and then followed the process for Patching to the latest one with UCAS and Ethernet turned off.

    Looks like it worked.

    NOTE:- THE LATEST PATCH IS CURRENTLY DATED MARCH 2012 !!

    AND TURN OFF ETHERNET AND UCAS BEFORE STARTING THE PROCESS , BACKING UP THE CHANNEL LIST TO A USB STICK AND ALSO NOTING DOWN YOUR USALS TOO

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    for an incoming line no changes need to be made to any router, or its nat firewall , or anything else like ports

    the only proviso with NETGEAR ROUTERS (and I use them too) is to preferably have the spiderbox on a fixed ip, and I am sure the tutorials explain this as its a commonly known fact but I will explain it once more in this sticky thread

    so if your netgear router ip addy is say 192.168.0.1 , then set the spiderbox to say 192.168.0.90 so its well away from 192.168.0.2 , or 3 etc

    so a common system on a spiderbox from a netgear would be like this in IP SETUP

    Manual
    192.168.000.090
    255.255.255.000
    192.168.000.001
    008.008.004.004
    208.067.222.222

    Mac Address will be greyed out

    and APPLY and save it

    or another may be

    ip 192.168.001.007
    Subnet 255.255.255.000
    Gateway 192.168.001.254
    1st DNS 192.168.001.254
    2nd DNS 192.168.001.254

    reboot the spiderbox and ensure its logged into the router by checking the admin panel in the router in attached devices
    I also add it to the allowed LAN IP SETUP settings in the admin panel so each piece of equipment has its own IP setting apart from laptops which I allow to login automatically between say 2 and 10 on the IP range of 2 to 254

    the router ip address can be different, like say 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.254 or 192.168.2.1 etc,
    mine is 192.168.0.1 (192.168.000.001)

    the Subnet netmask is always the same at 255.255.255.000

    the 1st dns and 2nd dns are google`s public dns servers,

    you may have the 1st dns set to 192.168.000.001 which is your router, but I use the google public servers, there are alternative DNS`s if you so wish to search for them and use them instead

    I would choose an ip address of 10 or above for a spiderbox, so anything between say 192.168.000.010 and say 192.168.000.099 for instance

    other equipment like tv, sly box , blade , dreambox ,vu, icecrypt, eagle, xbox , ps3 , laptop , pc desktop or tower, kindle etc may all have a different ip address

    generally speaking a spiderbox will connect with any C or N line providing all the details are correct, no typos, lower case , correct port etc

    you can easily test an ethernet cable , or homeplugs , by plugging a laptop into the cable instead of the actual spiderbox (or satellite box) and turn off the wifi on the laptop, making it rely on the 100 mbps LAN connection, and ensure you can google or try the bbc website etc. it should instantly connect by 100 mbps lan and allow you to search the internet from this laptop using the wired connection

    you can also try a vonets wifi in the same way, just turn off the internal 54mpbs wifi G or N wireless first ( or the older B type 12 mbps on an old laptop)

    You can not put a USB broadband dongle directly into a Spiderbox.
    Use a PC or a router and connect that with a dongle if you must use one

    Edimax sell suitable usb routers to take a wifi broadband type of dongle
    the dongle plugs into the router usb port, and the spiderbox plugs in as normal using an ethernet port


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    if you wish to use a sly card in the spiderbox , it will work by inserting it with the chip on the underside, and you can view c5HD , sony-tv and sony-tv +1 from a freesat card

    it will also work if you subscribe to the family pack too

    BUT , if you have sports and/or movies on the card you will have to enter the boxkey as well

    https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...iderbox+boxkey

    obtain the boxkey, press ok where it says NDS and enter the 8 character hexadecimal boxkey using the red button and save it , you should now be able to view sports and movies (if you subscribe to them)

    the spiderbox will auto update the card too, just like being in its original sly box

    pressing info button twice will tell you SMARTCARD as the source for this, meaning its using your card to decode the scrambled channel

    some info in this thread too https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...an-myth-or-not

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    MOTOR RESET PROCEDURE BY COMPASS

    1. Press MENU on remote & browse to MOTOR SETUP press ok
    2. scroll down to COMMAND
    2. scroll using right arrow button until you see GO TO CENTRE press ok
    3. you will see a message displayed COMMAND EXECUTED
    4. then press EXIT

    you also have the option to Recalculate Position in Command options

    I Used to use a TM motor & found motor drift whilst using USALS, switching to Diseqc solved this.

    But i moved on to Supreme Intelligent Dark Motor which works with USALS & Diseqc

    details here too

    https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...ht=reset+motor

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    use an 8 way DiSEqC switch to work between a motorised dish and 7 LNBs on 3 other dishes.

    Credit to William-1 for a detailed guide.........

    How to set up 16 Lnb's on a Spiderbox+Fixed & Motorized Dish Instructions

    On the "DiSEqC Switch" page there are 4 ports, DisEqC 1 - 4 that can be set to a satellite each, but on the "Satellite Search" page, there are option for "DiSEqC Port" that can be set to between 1 - 4, setting this then gives you an option for "DisEqC Uncommit" that can be set between 1 - 16

    How to set up 16 Lnb's on a SpiderBox
    This is what opens the DiSEqC menu
    1/Satellite Search
    2/DiSEqC port 1 to 4
    3/DiSEqC Uncommit select 1 to 16
    Now you can set up 16 Lnb's from this menu

    So to set up 16 Lnb's on a Spiderbox is easy,
    1/ select the satellite
    2/ select the DiSEqC port 1 to 4
    3/select DiSEqC Uncommit 1 to 16
    In theory it should be possible to set up 16 to 64 Lnb's in this menu.

    Select 2nd satellite ect ...................

    In the DiSEqC menu

    Select DiSEqC 1 for any one of your sats on the moving dish and DiSEqC for the sat on your fixed dish.

    In the Satellite search menu

    Set it up so that all the sats on the moving dish are DiSEqC 1 and the fixed dish sat is DiSEqC 2.

    The DiSEqC switch you require is just a DiSEqC 2 X 1 satellite switch, the centre connection goes to your spider and I will leave it you you to work out which dish connects to A and B on the switch(If you can'not remember if the fixed dish was A or B.. but it will only take a moment to swap the connections if it does not work )

    example:-
    Use a fixed on 28E and the motor for the rest.

    thanks go to william1 and alimac

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    looking at various posts regarding using vboxes and other satellite boxes, and reading billybits notes, it seems to me you do the following

    set the spiderbox to use diseqc v1.2

    then set the vbox up to the following example

    I would think that if you are starting from scratch then start with say position 01 on 45 east and work your way round until you are on say 45 west so that the vbox steps around in order from left to right , from east to west

    on a spiderbox list this translates to something like the following from billybits notes

    around 37 in total ; like this

    Satellite Positions Used.

    1 45.0E , 2 42.0E , 3 40.0E , 4 39.0E , 5 36.0E , 6 33.0E
    7 31.0E , 8 28.2E , 9 26.0E , 10 23.5E , 11 21.6E , 12 19.2E
    13 16.0E , 14 13.0E , 15 10.0E , 16 9.0E , 17 7.0E , 18 4.8E
    19 3.1E , 20 0.8W , 21 1.0W , 22 4.0W , 23 5.0W , 24 7.0W
    25 8.0W , 26 11.0W , 27 12.5W , 28 15.0W , 29 18.0W , 30 22.0W
    31 24.5W , 32 27.5W , 33 30.0W , 34 34.5W , 35 37.5W , 36 43.0W
    37 45.0W


    so you send the vbox to 45.0 east and lock it into position 1 , then 42.0 east and lock it to position 2 , keep going until all the positions are as above

    then use the spiderbox in diseqc v1.2 mode and store 45.0 east to position 1 , 42 east to position 2 , and keep going until you have done them all up to 45 west on position 37

    then when you select say 28.2 east on position 8 in the spiderbox, it tells the vbox to go to position 8 , which is where you stored astra 2

    this would be true for almost any box using the vbox as a positioner, as you are translating from diseqc v1.2 commands to the actual vbox positions

    so reset the vbox , set the positions from 45 east to 45 west according to the table, then set the spiderbox to the same postions in your diseqc v1.2 menu , when finished you should have about 37 positions stored in the vbox and in the spiderbox

    addendum

    start with 45e and set both to position 1 and make sure they both work

    then set position 2 to 42e and make sure that works on both

    then set position 3 to 40e and make sure that works on both

    keep going until you have reached 45w

    if you miss any out or dont use them , still keep to the same numbering scheme in case you need to put them in later

    the point about this is the need to have it all organised, which is why I made sure that almost every satellite was mentioned above and given a number and the order goes from low to high as the dish moves around the arc from east to west

    so something like this with the blackdevil 6000 channel list and a vbox and positioner

    01 - Intelsat 12 (45*Ε)
    02 - Turk*sat 1c/2a (42*E)
    04 - Hellas Sat (39*E)
    08 - Eurobird 1-astra 2a/2b/2d (28,5*E)
    09 - Badr 3/4-eurobird 2 (26*Ε)
    10 - Astra (23,5*E)
    12 - Astra 1kr (19,2*E)
    13 - Eutelsat W2 (16*E)
    14 - Hotbird (13*E)
    15 - Eutelsat W1 (10*E)
    16 - Eurobird 9 (9*E)
    17 - Eutelsat W3a (7*E)
    18 - Sirius 2 (4,8*E)
    19 - Eutelsat 3C (3,1*E)
    20 - Thor-Intelsat (0,8*w-1*w)
    22 - Amos 2 (4*w)
    23 - Atlantic Bird 3 (5*w)
    24 - Nilesat 101/102 (7*w)
    26 - Express AM (11*W)
    27 - Atlantic Bird 1 (12,5*w)
    28 - Telestar 12 (15*w)
    30 - Nss 7 (22*w)
    31 - Intel 905 (24,5*W)
    33 - Hispasat (30*w)

    https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...all-FAQ-thread post #6 has the strongest transponders in a list for this task

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