had another go today and can receive it at 44% just east of Swansea, thats on a channel master 1.2, the lnb was moved as far forward as possible in the bracket to get the strongest signal.
either the receiver or lnb seems very fussy one or the other shuts down if i select a ku band channel then go back to one of the rte channels i get no signal on them , takes a while then for them to come back on unsure why.
but at least it is possible in this area.
thanks to bob freq worked perfect, :respect-048: