ok I tried to load a channel list.. enigma2 Vhannibal for 13E, but nothing changed.. I don't know why this difference between us. I'll try to re-download driver..
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ok I tried to load a channel list.. enigma2 Vhannibal for 13E, but nothing changed.. I don't know why this difference between us. I'll try to re-download driver..
Well,is not about to be a policeman,is about understanding where your place is.
Most people is tired of the hype from dealers,now we have to take it from users?
Please don't.
Even i can say the DM800 is a inferior box compared to Azbox.
I hated my Dm800, it was slow and sluggish after being on 30 minutes due to overheating, the CPU can't handle E2 well and stutters when running thru the menus fast.
And this was a original box.
Don't compare ANY box to DM800, DM800 is reall **** to be honest and people buys that **** because it says DREAMBOX and they all think everything is well.
??? don't get this but I'am shure this is far off topic and it seems you feel fuc@#ed by your dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kebien
Only advice find another one
The winner's score is equal to the sum of next three opponents :) lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimrare
Is Premium Plus version coming soon?
thanks :)
@Likvid quite weird my dm800 handles all ok. It might be cause you have no CPU fan or bad designed skin. I cant say dm800 is worse or better than azbox. I have both of them and like both of them as well.
dm800 is 4 times smaller and always amazes people. :D
You don't get it because you are not following the thread,as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carp95
Read again.
In my case I own 2 DM800 (plus a 7000 and a 7025) and also own 2 azbox elite
I sure can compare the two,and won't even mention it in this thread,but other people is talking insanely about DM800 shortcomings,the truth is,azbox NEVER worked at par of dreambox since I got them and countless posts in this section will tell you the same thing.
I didn't NEED to reboot the DM800 in over one year.I wore out the power button of the azbox's remote control already.
The proof is this thread is the HOPE that the box can work better using dreambox firmware than original firmware.
STOP TALKING ABOUT DM800,you know as little about E2 as before.
E2 never made a better unit off the Kathrein,did it?
The worst case is people talking about dvbapi and devices they know nothing about,and answering questions instead of developers.
Ok let's talk about dvbapi,what do you guys know about it?
Actually DVBAPI3 is the one E2 follows.
Can we talk about command set and implementation?
What can we talk about then?
ok, maybe we are not all developers, but... if you would only publish news the better way would be a site not a forum, don't you think? it's clear if you write on a forum, that you have to accept also no0bies, comments, a little bit of ot, and everything that comes with it.. There is NO ONE if not a moderator that can tell someone else 'STOP talking about this' you can disagree with his words, but if you want to command just make your own site. I'm not disagreeing with your concept, but with your way to express it.. I also think we would talk about testing and not about hopes, but there are mods, let's them do their job..
Yes you are right, i had both IPBOX9000 and Kathrein and they both run E2, problem is that they all run some half baked drivers that makes the image quality suffer, tuner problems etc etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by kebien
Even if you get E2 running on AZ it will never be as good due to not having access to the right drivers that need to be implemented, it will be another IPBOX or kahtrein, but that's it.
Thats crap!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Likvid
Just look @ used procs there's the difference!!
Azbox is mips, all the others are st7xxxx
Carp95 is right.
how can u say azbox will be like kathrein and ipbox !?
that's just ignorance.
you all should know by now azbox is mips and it will have (first box) full codec support in enigma2 too.
azbox will act like a dreambox clone in every expect, since it runs all mips bins.
oscam,cccam,mgcamd,mbox etc etc.
kathrein or ipbox will never get where azbox can get because of sh4 processors, and kind of bad drivers..
ps: so if i post too much? i'm not breaking any rule or insulting anyone, in fact all i do is try to help.
if u feel annoyed by the amount of my posts, please sir, don't read them.
not quite m8 _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamboxQuote:
Originally Posted by Carp95
He means IPBOX9000 and KathreinQuote:
Originally Posted by cimkaya
500HD,7025,800HD and 8000 have mips
hfmls is right about one thing, that you cannot know how good it is going to perform untill you see it. There are a lot of aspects that you should take into account, such as the hardware, good coding.
For example one bad thing is that the Azbox cpu has to handle more tasks instead of having a dedicated chip handling them, thats why I am talking about hardware limitations. These limitation might still exist at the final release unless you come up with some clever coding making these limitations less noticeable.
On the other hand saying that cccam will run faster or with more c lines is also ignorant, because cccam is a piece of software and the max number of c lines you are able to run is something known only by the author. The number of c lines you have, does put some stress on the cpu, but i cannot tell you how much that is. I am sure that for normal use no-one will have any problems.
nop, i already tested many times cccam server in original firmware, also in enigma2 release.
acting as cccam server handles more cline than dm800. that's a fact.
original firmware or enigma2 The_Ripper's release.
But that's not newsflash :S
many owners know dm800 limitation to act as server.
Good thing that E2 is coded with the offical SDK then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Likvid
Just because you say it doesnt make it a fact. Wait for the full E2 and not the test version you are using right now and then come back with your comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfmls
Also are you talking about f-lines, c-lines, both? Am i missing something about f-lines on the azbox? You say that every one knows about the dm800 c-line limitations, can you tell us what that number is because i have never seen an actual number? Is this related to the cpu or memory not beeing able to handle more c-lines or something else? If it is the memory then how much memory is needed?
If you know the answer then this makes your point of view a fact. I am pretty sure that you don't know the answer and neither do I.
maybe I missunderstand... you mean that cccam is already in The_ripper release of e2? If this is a stupid question I'm sorry, I thought cccam was a program by itself, not a part of DM firmware others extruded...Quote:
Originally Posted by hfmls
Well SDK for STi is already out for the new ipbox9900 that runs E2 so that is not the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carp95
Doesn't say a thing about how good it will be or not, only the future will.
Is not about not posting,is about posting what's is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfmls
Azbox is not the same hardware and might not work the same way.
The fact is you do not even know how many demux azbox can deliver,can you?
How many in DM800?
How would you know if this aspect is the same or better?
Will you be able to watch,record and stream at the same time?
You need available demux to do all this,no?
Same goes for the CA device,need available demux to record encrypted channel,while watching other encrypted channel.
E2 allows more than that,but does azbox hardware let you do it?
Will be able to use Vtuner?? not even Vu duo is able to.
Also ,how would you know what kind of drivers azbox will get?
That's just ignorance from a newbie,plain and simple.
People do not need to hear hype about things you don't know.
You have to wait until you can test all things to say anything about it.
Stop talking about other boxes,this thread is NOT about DM800 (which by the way,is better than azbox in all aspects,always was,and maybe this development can prove it otherwise)
My azbox NEVER worked as well as DM800 here,that is a fact.
Did it work better for you?
I;m only asking users to be FAIR,if you do not like certain boxes that you don;t own,do not bring it to this section,this is E2 development thread,I like to hear developers telling me the things we will be able to do.
I also have the right to ask my fellows forum members to be cautious about what they post,and ask to be certain the information they are delivering is ACCURATE,which in this case,is NOT.
Nobody knows yet about what shortcomings E2 in azbox will have,and THIS IS THE VERY TRUE FACT.
Let developers inform us what those will be.
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by kebien
To be honest, My azbox never had the stability and the zapping speed of my old DM500. When my DM500 died, the only reason why I bought an azbox is that azbox could do 1080p upscaling and DM800 coud not (max 1080i, even the new DM800HD SE won't be able to do 1080p upscaling.).
As I wrote in previous post, azbox processor is a very good one for a mediaplayer (see popcornhour A-110), nobody knows for parallel processing.
If we want to compare the hardware, we need to wait to have a production quality E2 for azbox. And even in this case, the performances will depend on the driver quality.
let the ****. already start with the same crap as always. ok who has the dream.
who has azbox ok. even before you leave something for the azbox already beginning to
dream (not the box). Dreaming is good but start with the same crap and **** wars
between brands is not. each has what he has. this was
goes well with the staff to report bugs. please leave the rest to
who knows. know wait and be calm.
I am sorry to say it, but you have been misled. The 800 can do 1080p, however as i already said, there is no need to compare any boxes as this is a development thread and not a comparison one.Quote:
Originally Posted by cimkaya
I agree,why in the hell someone has to talk about other boxes here?
Is it helpful?
I do not think so.
I am so sorry that some "Dream" lovers will be dissapointed after new driver release ;)
Also, do not forget about DVB-API compatibility of SH4 platform ( Kathy, IPBox ( DGStation ) ).....
And obviously it is so good to see some "new"( old ) registered users posting comments about Enigma 2 on AzBox :)
Do not forget one thing that Sigma CPU is still more powerfull than a Broadcom CPU in DM 800, in a sense of handling high bitrate streams, wide support for all kind of codecs, which are missing on DM 800 and Broadcom inside of it....
So,MickeySa,can't we be a bigamist and love them BOTH?
he he
all i know azbox can handle fine 40 to 50 flines and clines and dm800 can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimrare
at least the one i tested couldn't. it all starts to freeze and crash (at least 8 months ago was like this, dunno how it is now, but i think it remains the same)
just because u say i don't know this and that doesn't make it truth either!
instead of turning my test down, why don't you test it (like i did so i can support my opinion) and see for yourself that azbox can handle better more c/f lines.
but this is way offtopic ... mate i respect your opinion. but you gotta respect my tests too and my opinions too. anyway i would like to see someone test too, just to check if the problem still remains.
dm800 is perfect to watch tv.
azbox is ok to watch tv/good mediacenter.
cimkaya i believe azbox can handle 8 demux.
not sure, but once i had a conversation with the ripper, and he said it was dificul just because of hardware limitation. not impossible or he didn't even said performance will suffer for that.on the contrary.
when someone says "limitation", that doesn't mean that limit is gonna get used all the way or so.
anywaym cheers.
that said, please lets change subject for sake of this good thread.
this is e2 development thred for azbox, Not to compare azbox and dream 800!!!!
@MickeySa
> I am so sorry that some "Dream" lovers will be dissapointed after new driver release
I'll be really happy when az will get fully functional e2 what I can't get is that arrogance. y? mate its not about to disappoint somebody. All this hustle and bustle is about progress I guess.
guys, I think that Dream 800 is an exellent box, and this does not exclude azbox can be the same, better or worst.. Maybe someone could not accept that a fw e2 COULD (this not means that it can) make another machine better than a dream (I'm not saying this is the case). Simply the dream must be better?? How old are you?? 5yo? I'm not saying az is better or would be better than a dream and this is not the topc where to answer to this question, but I think all this anger is unmotivated.
these drivers are ready for distribution?Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeySa
Instead, what is your prediction (in weeks) for the release of the first full distribution E2xAzBox?
On that OPENSAT is behind all this does not think so. Why do all the drivers from scratch if OPENSAT are holding the original drivers that finished and I see no logic just my opinion and I do not want to upset anyone and misunderstandings. Our friend The_ripper and company are doing a great job and all controls from scratch.
I would be careful with this statement. DM800HD has working recording (fta and scrambled channels), diseqc, timeshift, subtitles (encripted and fta), working cardreader, cccam works, etc. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeySa
When AZ will have everything under the roof, then you will be able to say that. And then i will buy azbox too - again :)
@Oldskul
MickeySa is careful with his words, some others with little knowledge are not. He only said that the specific sigma chip supports more codecs compared to the specific broadcom chip used in the 800 and this is a fact. Datasheets don't lie.
Codecs of course are only one aspect of a system, cpu speed, cpu architecture, memories, controllers, good coding and I can continue with a lengthy list, are the other aspect. That makes it difficult to compare what is best and what is not. (unlike some enthusiastic users who already know the answer). The final result will only give you a hint, but then again why should you compare two different boxes if you are happy with what you have got?
New boxes hitting the market have already got better chips than the 800.
Why keep talking about the DM800. :smash:
This is a porting of Enigma 2 on Azbox HD.
We knows strengths and weaknesses of this embedded platform and we do not need comparisons with other brands of receivers.
The tests are made on this unit and if one does not feel satisfied can simply buy another device.
Bring this discussion on good way and ... if you want to talk about DMM, change on section board ...
Thanks
I am so sorry that some users are stil sceptic about Enigma 2, as they are expecting everything to work NOW and NOW...
Idea was to give users step by step to test and see progress and work on Enigma 2 on AzBox, so we didnt say this is final version, or stable version or whatever linked to statement " working good ".
For that reaso we said, alpha, pre-beta, and for sure, we cannt at this stage compare DM 800 E2 and AzBox HD E2, like we cannot compare DM 800 E2 Multimedia with AzBox Official firmware Multimedia support, as on AzBox evidently it is working better than on dreambox 800 ( mkv and other various formats )...
@massimo1167
As soon as we make tests and decide what is stable and easy for users to update driver inside on AzBox it will go out, as we promissed before, we will not hide any steps in dev. of AzBox Enigma 2, and of course we will give announcment, info related to what is fixed or going to be fixed....
Also i dont know why some users are so scary to think about that even enigma 2 on AzBox HD in pre-alpha version is so stable, than Enigma 2 on other boxes, after one or more years of development.... Also did any of You expirienced Green error screen with report problem until now on AzBox running E2 ? I think NO :) Take it easy, and stop poisoning this thread, nobody wants any kind of conflict, as far as I understand this is hobby for all of us :)
Ha HaQuote:
Originally Posted by kebien
Yes we should always love DM 800 , to know why we really love AzBox HD, because it give us everything what the first one ( DM 800 ) don't have, or missing :) It's easy...
I have buy 2nd hand HD Receiver it is ***** IPBOX 910 HD i saw the menü it looking like Azbox Engima 2 some boothing and some Display i have install firm from SWF-820-E2_v5.1.5R it some menü and some Tuner but dont know if hardware some or not. I seeing some Media player work too and CCcam it other name called Incubus it cccam emulator i testet it worked, maybe it will some on Azbox too. i want only inform u that i had now ipbox if u want see screen i will make screenshot!
i hope soon Azbox E2 done then i both like it