few channels not working today

**ssjenkins** · 15-04-2017, 11:28 AM

One good thing for me is that this issue has caused me to come back to this forum again . CS made me lazy . A few years ago I ended up just signing up to a paid CS server , where I've been ever since . After seeing a blank screen on TCM last night (I'd been away for a few weeks) , it led me to search for the 12148 TP , which let me to here . The problem I have now is that I've forgotten all the ECM technical stuff . So it's back to school again for me

But that's where the fun is anyway . I still have my programmers and gold/silver cards downstairs . So maybe we can start development again on the Magic Module ?

**Barney** · 15-04-2017, 01:18 PM

The reason 28.2°E will be dark screens soon will be due to commercial paid CS servers
italians could not figure out the extra layers involved with this iCAM encryption and i very much doubt a solution will be found for UK TV Either : )
The greedy Commercial payservers and their never ending adverts have killed many good packages not only Italy and UK but many others French,Albania,Greece etc..etc..
i wonder where Mr.Payserver and thier spam adverts will be hidden when everything is dark ??

**lacierva** · 15-04-2017, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by ssjenkins

One good thing for me is that this issue has caused me to come back to this forum again . CS made me lazy . A few years ago I ended up just signing up to a paid CS server , where I've been ever since . After seeing a blank screen on TCM last night (I'd been away for a few weeks) , it led me to search for the 12148 TP , which let me to here . The problem I have now is that I've forgotten all the ECM technical stuff . So it's back to school again for me

But that's where the fun is anyway . I still have my programmers and gold/silver cards downstairs . So maybe we can start development again on the Magic Module ?

people like you are the result of this !!!! cs was a hobby not for puta payservers

**ssjenkins** · 16-04-2017, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by lacierva

people like you are the result of this !!!! cs was a hobby not for puta payservers

Sin duda , pero qué más da tío ...? Y lo que querías decir era "People like you are the CAUSE of this" . I was probably to blame for the fall of Irdeto , Viaccess , Nagra etc as well , when I bought all my programmers , cards , CAMs and the rest of the gear . Did you really think that cs was going to be contained within a group of friends ? Anyway . This has been discussed enough through the years . I don't have any regrets . There's a black screen again now , which is what it's always all been about . How you want to go about clearing it imho is completely up to the individual . Saying that . If you're looking for a scapegoat , then I'm your man .

**Mickha** · 16-04-2017, 10:57 AM

it was similar, whenI first started, as we had a card and used to have to telephone, for codes, to input into the card, to be able to view Saturday 3PM football games.
When the encryption was upgraded we had to send the card away, to be upgraded, as card programmers were not available, or way too expensive.
Companies then produced affordable card programmers, so that we could do things ourselves, so perhaps we should blame duolabs, and others, for making things too accessable, for enthusiasts.
Or perhaps we should blame those that used their receivers, and internet access, to share official cards, instead of paying full subscriptions, to all providers, for starting the process?
Personally I blame companies that were too blatant, selling products with a gift, on certain ******* sites, so that anyone could buy a receiver, for cheap money, and view channels, some of these people still don't seem to understand the process, of this gift, or that there are so many other satellites, and channels, available, or how to use a different server, instead they request details on how to renew this gift, then complain when the gift is no longer working.
You can imagine the fun when the Sky channels do finally go encrytped.
Will these people demand a refund?

We have had many discussions, on this subject, over the years, and always we get people blaming others.
I wonder if these same members wont use a paid server if that server is the only way to view channels, if only by an IPTV route?
Will their holier than thou principles still hold firm, or will they quickly pay up?

**JOE.MADDISON** · 16-04-2017, 11:23 AM

filmnet and premier started the rott and what happened to tv without fronteres ???/

**Mickha** · 16-04-2017, 11:36 AM

I was thinking the same thing, the European Union was supposed to open television access, so we weren't forced to subscribe to Sky UK, but choose a provider, within the EU.
Unfortunately certain providers have too much control, and will never give it up, it suits them that we have limited options.

**KARABANGA** · 16-04-2017, 11:57 AM

Hi Why are people so stupid...do you not realise that providers like Sky have bills to pay like you and me..how are they going to pay all the billions to football clubs etc. What happens if Sky goes bust,,what will you be watching then??? We have had it so good for many years and should be grateful to the people who have helped us and not blame others for our over indulgence....Happy Easter.

**JOE.MADDISON** · 16-04-2017, 11:59 AM

did anyone else watch sky uk cable satellite feed on 13 deg(NOW hotbird) in 80s was free to air for some then started soft scramble....?

**JOE.MADDISON** · 16-04-2017, 12:03 PM

K....will you be still happy when ALL sport is omly available on paid for services ...?

**Satcat** · 16-04-2017, 12:32 PM

Slightly off topic, sorry, but it is my opinion that if Sly reduced their charges to a sensible amount, It wouldn't be worth it for payservers, so Sly would end up with more subscribers. Plus they wouldn't have to waste money developing new encryption methods.

**charlie** · 16-04-2017, 10:51 PM

Agree with satcat some folks would happily pay say £20 a month for only sky sports but its all the other channels you have to pay for that you really dont want

**scrambled** · 16-04-2017, 11:31 PM

I remember in 1991 watching football league live on 10 East (Eutelsat 1F5)on a bad quality feed due to having only a 60cm dish. My first game involved Liverpool at 3pm Saturday. It was FTA and had Martin Tyler providing commentary. Worldwide soccer provided one 3pm match each Saturday and then this company would show all the goals from the top flight in the Big Match Live on Sunday during the live offering on ITV. Those were the days, now all games are available and the price we now have to pay, but to be fair I would rather have today's choice rather then the 44 live games we use to have and the extras we would find with our dish. Shame about the price but that is just today's world.

**holmroad** · 16-04-2017, 11:40 PM

I agree with sentiment that Sky should be prepared to allow us more freedom of choice, e.g. by being able to sub to Sports only! This is exactly what I did in analogue days on 19E back in early 1990's!
However, when Eurosport is now very conveniently a part of Sky Entertainment by the time it gets presented to US and we therefore have to sub THAT package as WELL as Sky Sports, it shows very clearly what rip-off merchants Uncle Rupie & co. really are?? lol!!

**sparky_dog** · 17-04-2017, 02:38 PM

Rather than payservers, I would say that the final nail in the coffin has been folk selling 'plug in and go' boxes like a retail offering, no sat or computer knowledge required, with a 12 or 24 months line sub installed. They are (still) selling thousands of them all over the place, high st. shops, bay of e, facebook, etc., etc... no business is going to stand their copyrighted material being ripped off and sold mass market like that.

I guess when there's money to be made out of it, it was inevitable.

**Sawdust** · 17-04-2017, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by sparky_dog

Rather than payservers, I would say that the final nail in the coffin has been folk selling 'plug in and go' boxes like a retail offering, no sat or computer knowledge required, with a 12 or 24 months line sub installed. They are (still) selling thousands of them all over the place, high st. shops, bay of e, facebook, etc., etc... no business is going to stand their copyrighted material being ripped off and sold mass market like that.

I guess when there's money to be made out of it, it was inevitable.

What do you mean 'Rather than payservers'? What do you think enables a 'Plug'N'Play' box? And everyone that call things 'gifts'? Just another name for a payserver. Dress it up however you want, its all the same. I have NEVER and will NEVER use a payserver. Because I am not lazy or a tight ass. I have a legit card and in return I have never beeen unable to watch anything I have ever wanted in over 10 years.

Too many people want to pay £50 and watch everything for ever. And the end result is black screens. I'm glad sky uk is going. Maybe then it will get back to the better days.

**dostoy** · 17-04-2017, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sawdust

I have a legit card and in return I have never been unable to watch anything I have ever wanted in over 10 years.

I think you mean able not unable don't you.

**Sawdust** · 17-04-2017, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by dostoy

I think you mean able not unable don't you.

No. I dont think so.

**dostoy** · 17-04-2017, 06:54 PM

Yes sorry.

You have never been unable means you have been able.

**JOE.MADDISON** · 17-04-2017, 07:32 PM

most if not all sat forums were created by like minded members who helped each other to share ways and means how to open and view encripted channels......for educational use and experimental ways to try something new..