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    Quote Originally Posted by den123 View Post
    Sonwont the solo 4k do I have a Sony 4k 55xd9305
    I am thinking of getting this TV do you rate it sorry if its off topic

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    The best box is the Ultimo4K.

    However it might not be the best for your needs.

    If you only need 2 tuners, then the Uno4K will do the job, as will the Solo4K.

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    the tv is the fantastic

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    its a shame the solo4k cant play uhd encoded x264. Tons of uhd bluray encodes out there but useless on the solo 4k

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    4K UHD Blu Rays dont actually use the X.264 codec they use HEVC (X.265) the 'Rips' you see are actually 'Re-Encodes' again after they have been raw captured from Source, As i am sure everyone knows UHD Blu Ray discs at the moment cannot be 'Ripped' directly from source (Disc).

    All My 4K UHD Rips i have are all HEVC encoded and range from around Lowest 55gb to around 90gb in size, They are also HDR encoded which the solo 4K does play. I personally use the Nvidia Shield for media playback and leave the Solo 4K for its primary use as a Satellite receiver

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    theres no way to rip them with HDR metadata intack, easy to fake though. More and more rips are being ripped to mjpeg then encoded rather than to a lossless codec then reencoded, ive seen people mention on hdbits how can x encode look better @ a lower bitrate than y encode @ a higher bitrate. Answer - lossless cap vs mjpeg. As for Hevc its requires a shit ton of cpu so they just opt for a preset that will do rather than a quality encode :( the x264 encodes are still huge. A driver patch could fix the play back.

    Will the solo 4k ever get a dvbs2x addon tuner? Looking at the Octogon 4k that's coming with dvbs2x 16 and 32apsk and multistream. VU need to up there game.


    Quote Originally Posted by digicon View Post
    4K UHD Blu Rays dont actually use the X.264 codec they use HEVC (X.265) the 'Rips' you see are actually 'Re-Encodes' again after they have been raw captured from Source, As i am sure everyone knows UHD Blu Ray discs at the moment cannot be 'Ripped' directly from source (Disc).

    All My 4K UHD Rips i have are all HEVC encoded and range from around Lowest 55gb to around 90gb in size, They are also HDR encoded which the solo 4K does play. I personally use the Nvidia Shield for media playback and leave the Solo 4K for its primary use as a Satellite receiver

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3tv View Post
    theres no way to rip them with HDR metadata intack, easy to fake though. More and more rips are being ripped to mjpeg then encoded rather than to a lossless codec then reencoded, ive seen people mention on hdbits how can x encode look better @ a lower bitrate than y encode @ a higher bitrate. Answer - lossless cap vs mjpeg. As for Hevc its requires a shit ton of cpu so they just opt for a preset that will do rather than a quality encode :( the x264 encodes are still huge. A driver patch could fix the play back.

    Will the solo 4k ever get a dvbs2x addon tuner? Looking at the Octogon 4k that's coming with dvbs2x 16 and 32apsk and multistream. VU need to up there game.
    Yep! i know they are fake but at least the HDR metadata that they inject into the 'Rips' is correct as 99% off all the 'Official' sample HDR test from LG,Samsung,Panasonic.Sony all use the same HDR Metadata structure.

    VU+ have lost out big time now they should have at least made 100% sure that the P&P tuners on the 2 new models Ultimo/Uno could be backwards compatible with DVB-S2X, i certainly wont upgrade now until the models in 2018 there are still many changes ahead to come regards 4K on satellite and HLG being one of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by digicon View Post
    Yep! i know they are fake but at least the HDR metadata that they inject into the 'Rips' is correct as 99% off all the 'Official' sample HDR test from LG,Samsung,Panasonic.Sony all use the same HDR Metadata structure.

    VU+ have lost out big time now they should have at least made 100% sure that the P&P tuners on the 2 new models Ultimo/Uno could be backwards compatible with DVB-S2X, i certainly wont upgrade now until the models in 2018 there are still many changes ahead to come regards 4K on satellite and HLG being one of them
    The tuners can do dvbs-2x

    It's just a case of waiting for them to implement it into the software (don't think uno4k will support s2x, but i'm sure ultimo4k will)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CokeAddict View Post
    The tuners can do dvbs-2x

    It's just a case of waiting for them to implement it into the software (don't think uno4k will support s2x, but i'm sure ultimo4k will)
    The Uno 4K uses the same Plug & Play tuners as the Ultimo 4K so if they do it one model it should be possible on the other, And other STB manufacturers have already implemented it so why wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by digicon View Post
    The Uno 4K uses the same Plug & Play tuners as the Ultimo 4K so if they do it one model it should be possible on the other, And other STB manufacturers have already implemented it so why wait
    No, because the cpu / chipset that the boxes use, need to support it too.

    The 7252s (uno4k), does not look like it can support s2x, however it looks like the 7444s (ultimo4k) might do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CokeAddict View Post
    No, because the cpu / chipset that the boxes use, need to support it too.

    The 7252s (uno4k), does not look like it can support s2x, however it looks like the 7444s (ultimo4k) might do.
    Then why would the previous BCM 7251 chpset which is used in the Octagon 4008 fully support DVB-S2X, And Vu+ omit it from a newer chipset i highly doubt it.

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    Check the Broadcom specs

    Is 7251 4K with FBC ??
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    Hi All,

    @digicon, Can I ask a Question.
    What HDR is in the VU 4k Solo.

    My 4k TV has HDR10 with 2.0a HDMI
    socket needed to receive HDR.
    My Question is, Can a Firmware update enable the
    TV to receive HLG, or is new hardware needed when built.

    Is HDR going to be like ( Betamax and VHS )
    Out of the three (HDRs) HDR10 & Dolby Vision & HLG
    were do you GO.
    Netflix is using HDR10 (Tried month free).
    Hotbird 4K channel (4K2) is using HLG as is BBC.
    Not seen any Dolby Vision (HDR) yet

    Thanks BF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbigfoot View Post
    Hi All,

    @digicon, Can I ask a Question.
    What HDR is in the VU 4k Solo.

    My 4k TV has HDR10 with 2.0a HDMI
    socket needed to receive HDR.
    My Question is, Can a Firmware update enable the
    TV to receive HLG, or is new hardware needed when built.

    Is HDR going to be like ( Betamax and VHS )
    Out of the three (HDRs) HDR10 & Dolby Vision & HLG
    were do you GO.
    Netflix is using HDR10 (Tried month free).
    Hotbird 4K channel (4K2) is using HLG as is BBC.
    Not seen any Dolby Vision (HDR) yet

    Thanks BF.
    the dvbs2x demo on astra might be the dolby test. HLG will be the standard for sat though. Spec for sat 4k delivery need finalizing. phase 2 is taking forever. Could be worse you buy your new 4k tv thinking your sorted then every year the goal posts move then a year down the road none of your gear is compatible.

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    Hi All, MERRY XMAS.

    @3tv, Thanks for Info.
    @satpaul, Have a look at Hisense ULED
    Just bought a 65XT910 HDR, not bad price.
    John Lewis have a 75" Hisense HDR 3D, 2700.00p
    LG 75" OLED is around 8000.00p

    BF.

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