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    Installed new T and K brackets

    Taken the dish down and put new t and k brackets with the help of my son.

    Checked the motor was ok on the pole put the 1 meter dish and pole back up checked level with pole level ok

    Set the elevation to 27 did not usals because due south would hit the wall.

    Managed to get 13.0e 16.0e 19.2e the signal 100% and agc is 90%on all three sats

    Tried 23.5 and 28.2 no signal at all

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    the pole needs to be plumb in all directions for starters, waste of time until that is done, put the dish on 27.5

    ideally you should have used usals, as this doesnt send the pole south unless you choose to use those sats in your menu

    so lets assume you decided to choose 19e as the centre of operations, so set your usals up in the menu, select astra 19e

    the motor moves to the 19e position relative to your gps , peak the signal

    then try the extremes of 13e and 28.2e sats in your case, fine tuning once you hit them

    then try all sats in your range, AVOIDING ANYTHING CLOSE TO YOUR WALL

    if necessary remove or deselect any sats that cause the dish to hit the wall, like 0.8w thor and 4.8e sirius

    as long as you dont select any sats like 0.8w and 4.8e you will be fine, so concentrate your efforts between 13e and 39e (or 42e) , choosing the mid range as the start point, so maybe 23.5e for the starter for ten

    hope that makes sense ?

    ie:- usals wont make it go to 0.8w south unless you actually SELECT 0.8w channels

    on my lads spiderbox he would hit the wall at anything past 15w so 15w , 22w and 30w are all deselected in his channel list and we set his up using 5w as the western sat and 42e as the eastern sat , we used USALS, we never hit the wall !!

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    Remember to set your motor limits, to avoid the dish accidentally hitting the wall.

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    Jut got back in from checking the pole it was a little bit out adjusted it got drenched it's really fine rain.

    When on 19.2 e 100% with DiSEqC set it to Usals no signal how much should the dish move it moves to more 28.2 or beyond


    Set the cordinates from dishpointer for my area
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    sounds to me as if its all setup completely incorrectly

    start by adding your usals to your box, making sure the correct west or east setting is used, plus the correct NORTH as well

    so lets assume its 2.2w and 53.4 north , set those coordinates in the box and select 19.2e , the motor moves to the correct point

    ignore the markings on the motor, they are not relevant

    ensure that the motor elevation is set to the same latitude, so lets say 53.4N and lock it

    now leave it on an FTA 19.2e channel like news or weather etc (any) and move the motor body left or right around the pole until the picture comes on the tv or monitor, then peak the signal, if necessary moving the dish elevation up or down ever so slightly too

    once the signal is peaked, lock it up

    now try 13e and 28.2e and do any fine adjustments as required

    then try the other sats between 42e and 13e or 10e , but dont allow it to hit the wall so no going too close to zero degrees

    once its working with usals, switch to diseqc on each sat from usals, move , store , back to usals , next sat , find and store repeat , repeat , repeat

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    Box is set to 5_. _1 north lat and 0._75 west told not put exact details in


    The motor elevation is set to the same as lat

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    on your box ensure you have as close a match as possible, but you can round it up or down to fit and be up to half a degree out so it doesnt have to be an "exact match"

    you should not put the exact details on this forum as gps details can give you away to other people who read it

    the point is that you put those details in and select a sat like hotbird or astra and the motor moves to the correct place , doesnt matter what the pointer on the motor reads as this will vary for different locations and wont be say 13 east or 19 east for over 95% of people and it certainly isnt for me here in Manchester

    once the motor has been sent to the correct position using usals, you then physically move the motor around the pole until you get that chosen satellite, fine tune and then lock the motor and dish up , then test the other sats

    if you were doing it the diseqc v1.2 way, you would have to calculate where the pointer should be on the motor for a given satellite, send the motor to that point and then physically move the motor until that chosen sat is found

    ie:- you cannot just lock the motor in any position and then use the diseqc move option to find your sats, which is what you appear to have done

    when its done correctly, the motor wont move at all if you change from usals to diseqc and back to usals on any given satellite , so if the motor moves at all when swapping over you have not set the motor correctly

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    Have not tried anything today it's ****ing down and my back is killing me.

    What i do last night was try move the dish after adjusting pole and got 60% on 23.5 e.


    Echelon:

    What i am going to do copy all your reply's and save as a doc. file.Thanks
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    just for info, plus for anyone else reading this

    the zero pointer on your motor always points at true south relative to your location (gps)

    so if you were in western ireland at say 4 west, the zero pointer on your motor would point at the 4 west satellite

    but if you were somewhere in europe at lets say 13 east, it would still be zero degrees on your motor pointer

    so as you can see , the motor pointer rarely tells you the sat you are pointing at

    so if somebody was at 4 west or 13 east , they would be told to move the motor to zero, disconnect the motor and connect the lnb, then point the whole motor assembly at either 4w or at 13e , until they get a picture, then to lock up the motor, that is a manual install based on true south

    unfortunately for you, you say the dish would hit the wall at zero, so at true south

    so you have to line up on another sat, the easiest method is to use usals and then maybe tell it to go to an fta channel on 23.5e

    then line up on 23.5e in your case , then test the other sats

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    I have started to do it, put the dish on 19.2e with USALS went up and loosened the four bolts on the pole holding the motor and moved it east and west nothing

    Went back to DiSEqC with a bit of tuning got all three sat back 19,16,13.

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    doesnt sound like it aligned correctly, as I have said before

    the fact you get 3 sats close together is not unusual because they are strong sats and close together, but your motor isnt tracking the correct arc which is why your others are missing - once you "get" the concept of tracking a certain arc you will see why your scenario is possible yet you are doomed to failure

    put it on usals for 19e , then try left and right on the pole plus slightly up and down on the dish elevation until 19e fta channels boom in, then lock it up and test 13e and 16e, if they come in try 23.5e and 28.2e as well

    I have just tested my spiderbox on my darkmotor and no problem with any of them here in greater manchester , but I had to readjust my motor due to bad weather a couple of months ago so my system is tracking the arc correctly

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    I have got a Vu box and the tuner is rubbish compared to the spiderbox which i sold.

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    my motor also works fine on my vu solo2 as well, using a catseye list, using usals

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    If my long is 0.555 west is that how it goes in settings on the box:

    Or 5.55 west.

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    If your Longitude is -0.555 then you can round it up, or down. I would just go for 0.55 West. Only a -5.55 longitude would be 5.55 West.

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    just checking my old vu duo 1 (BH image in the flash) on my darkmotor

    in your system setup

    config = Simple
    Mode = Positioner (selecting Satellites)
    Press Ok to select satellites

    Longitude (for you would be) 000.555
    __________________________West
    Latitude is something like say 053.451
    __________________________North

    Extra motor options = No

    alternatively , you can set the longitude at 360 - 0.555 east, which is 359.445 East

    the zero pointer on your motor would need to point due south, which for you your true south is almost thor at 0.8w because you are slightly west of London Greenwich and so is thor

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    seems to me like as echelon has said your not tracking the arc,i installed new motor and made my own stand out of scaffold pole and scaffolding clips as can not use t&k brackets at my location,heres how i sorted the arc out,find your strongest sat whichever you decide is strongest for signal for you,use diseqc,when on strongest sat mark that position with a felt tip marker on your pole or wherever you will be able to see it,mark where the lnb is posistioned at,now put in your usuals,the dish will move a fraction away from where it was,now move the mount to that position you have previously marked
    adjust for best signal,usuals will be spot on if everything is set up correctley,tighten bolts evenly watching signal if possible as tightening bolts more on one side can adjust signal,my way is long winded
    but even with an old 80cm mesh dish i can average 99%signal on the main sats,28e 23e 19e 13e,i use a vu uno and signal is fine

    mister-t

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    I got a triax 1.1 mtr dish which i think is too big and is to close to wall and cannot get true south.

    What should go for instead a 78mm or 88m.

    I am in south wales and you see what sats i can pick up.

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    Can you post any pictures, of the dish/mount?
    I would use dishpointer.com, put in your postcode, then zoom in on the map, moving the icon to your house, and see if you can better site the dish to at least get 1W to 39E.

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    You have never mentioned what size T&K brackets you fitted, for most sites the 18" usually work, but you can get 24" ones.
    These should be more than adequate to keep any Dish from banging into the wall. I would be more inclined to go down this
    path rather than reduce the Dish size.

    regards mobley2

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