Help: MOTOR NONE

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Hi.
Because lately I have been having scrambling issues with my old Spiderbox HD6000 with the latest MSCam patch and still ten months left... and the latest channel list.
I thought I might try to fine tune the dish... not a good idea.
I was trying having a look at the Satellite Settings, I decided to select Go To Zero... I lost the signal!
So I went to Nordic Movies, almost 0 (0.8) and I guessed I might get the signal... no. No signal.
So, still in Nordic Movies, I decided to Go To Zero again. Select Position and move it a bit East... 36 presses right actually!
Then I got the signal back. I stored it as ??, not any of the numbers, guessing that since I have a channel list that might not be a good idea.
But Motor goes to None!?
So I manage to get signal this way.
Then I go back into Satellite Settings, Set Latitude and Longitude, Go... and I lose the signal again.
Any advice,please?
Thanks in advance.
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[Aldo]

Please Read the setup procedure for the spiderbox 6000, especially Satellite Setup:

https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthrea...iderbox-6000HD

then try again.

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Hi Aldo,
Thanks for the quick reply.
Before posting, I did read the manual and various threads... I am going to check your link.
Thanks.
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Added later: I had read that link. But I will give it another go...

[echelon]

if using USALS you cannot store the positions, you can only store your gps location

this GPS location depends on the motor being aligned correctly which means the ZERO position is your true south position , meaning the dish points at your true south (not magnetic south) , so if you were at 13 degrees east , then your true south would point the dish at hotbird at 13 east and the motor would read ZERO degrees

if your true south was 13.0e, then your dish would be on ZERO at 13.0e hotbird , so its important that it was aligned correctly

if your true south was 0.8w, then your dish would be on ZERO at 0.8w thor , so its important that it was aligned correctly

if your true south was 4.0w, then your dish would be on ZERO at 4.0w , so its important that it was aligned correctly

now if we assume you can go up to say 1 degree either way then the usals can be up to 1 degree out

so once you know your GPS, then if you send the motor to that position you should check if the motor is on ZERO on the pointer

if you are between sats on your GPS, you will have to use the nearest sat to your GPS for alignment and the pointer will be slightly away from ZERO on the dial or display

if using diseqc v1.2 , you have to find and store each sat yourself , manually, but again the dish and motor alignment should be spot on first

the easiest is USALS, using your GPS position, once this has been set, you can switch between usals and diseqc v1.2 and store each position manually

then you can use either option

when you store the GPS location, and exit , if it asks if you want to store the data, say yes , then go back and check its set correctly

without knowing your approximate location, its hard to advise you further , even a city would do (no need for exact gps figures)

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Thanks echelon for your quick reply.
I am going to read it slowly again..
Wish me good luck, as I have a feeling I might have a misalignment issue...
Thanks!
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[echelon]

so do I , hence all the info above

if you tell us a city or town you are in or near, we could give you better advice, but we dont want your GPS details or postcode

[Aldo]

But Motor goes to None!?

It will do until such time as you press the right > and change it to diseqc/usals in the setup procedure:

Right arrow across, scroll down to Motor, right arrow to select ‘Diseq/Usals’, OK, Scroll down to Mode, select Drive to Satellite, scroll down to Set Location, OK, Scroll down Set Long then Lat then save, scroll to Go ‘Save Data and run’ thats it.

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Saffron Walden

[echelon]

ok , well your location is 0.25 degrees away from the greenwich meridian , so you are within 1.0 degrees of thor , so your motor should be close to the zero marker when you set up on sly news on thor, if using usals

so try a setting similar to 0.25 east for longitude and 52.0 north for latitude and try fta channels on thor , like the music channel and sly news , making sure the motor shows those details and not NONE , meaning add them and save them and exit

edited by echelon to correct 2 errors , for clarity

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0.25 West? Sure? Not East?

[skomedal]

ok , well your location is 0.5 degrees away from the greenwich meridian , set up on bbc world news on thor,

BBC world news @ 10778H is now conax encrypted, rather try sly news international @ 12418V 28000 7/8 DVB-S QPSK which is FTA.

Just my suggestion sorry:cheers2:

Good luck.

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Still trying. No luck so far. Thanks again for your help.
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[Aldo]

Still trying. No luck so far. Thanks again for your help.
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Do all of the Satellites that you wish to receive channels from have a Tick to the left of them, maybe you could give more info on what you have do so far.

[echelon]

0.25 West? Sure? Not East?

sorry , yes , east is correct as its a PLUS reading , so approx 0.25 east (and 52.0 north), meaning you are about 1 degree away from the ZERO marker when the dish is pointed at thor

I didnt realise bbc had gone encrypted, so please test sly news instead (or any FTA channels)

and as aldo says, ensure you have ticked all the required sats on the left, from the sat list

might also be worth resetting the motor so it starts from zero

and ensure your correct USALS settings are locked into the box too

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Hello again and thanks for the extra help.
Yes, all the SATs have the tick to the left.
O.25 East. OK.
Thanks what I had, and it worked until I pressed go to zero
Then I lost the signal.
So, I am on 1 music channel, FTA o Thor/Digi TV> Other.
Signal 77% then 0 then 77%. Quality 0%. No service / no signal.
In Satellite Settings, I have Motor DiseqC1.2/USALS.
I set location to the correct latitude and longitude (0.25 East).. Go to satellite... Save data. Strength 78%, Quality 00%. No signal

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Now I go to zero, and after a while, I get strength79%, quality 60%.
But if I exit or if I do set location again... No signal.

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I tried this:
Go to zero, after a while I get signal strength 80%,quality 60%.
Switch off.
Switch on. The channel is there. Str 80%, q 60% for a moment then the signal goes.
I guess the dish moves as it is misaligned, I guess.
No signal.

[Aldo]

Select ‘Diseq/Usals’, OK,

Did you Press OK to save Diseq/Usals, if not then the Motor will revert back to " None ", " Switch on. The channel is there. Str 80%, q 60% for a moment then the signal goes.

No signal.

if you check the motor setting it may be none.

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Thanks again Aldo.
I think I did press OK.
But I had to give up as the misses wanted to watch something on TV...
I will try again tomorrow.
Thank you very much indeed!

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Morning all.
Trying again...
OK here we are:
No motor.
Selected 1 Music channel FTA on Digi TV Other.
Satellite Settings,no motor.
Go to zero.
Signal OK. S 80%, Q 58%.
Motor select disec/usals, OK.
Mode position appears and signal is immediately lost: S 80%, Q 00%.
Change mode to Go to satellite.
Quality still00%.
With correct long and latitude, Go, OK.
Save data? OK.
Q 00%.
Exit. Motor showing disec1/usals. Q 00%.
Exit.
1 Music channel: no signal.

A bit desperate now.

I guess I will have to get someone to align the dish... And hopefully then Go to satellite will not lose signal... Maybe.

Thanks for all your help and patience so far.